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Monday, October 27, 2008

Theological Science* Seeks the Truths About Socialism, Atheism, and Communism

In the presidential debates involving Barack Obama and John McCain in the USA, English dictionaries are confusing U.S. citizens and the meanings of the terms, socialism and communism. The confusion arises because these terms are misused by people who live in a nation under God. When theological science applies these terms to a nation under God, this confusion goes away, as I show below.

Many U.S. citizens do not know that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution say that the USA is a nation under God. God is clearly mandated in the Declaration of Independence. On the other hand, the mandate of God in the U.S. Constitution is not as clear. But when the founders said that the U.S. government must form a more perfect Union, God’s existence is clear because God is the only standard for measuring this effort of the U.S. government.

Since the term socialism is derived from the terms, social and sociability, the Union identified by the founders is a social Union. The togetherness of all U.S. citizens is necessary to form this Union. Every U.S. citizen is thus a natural socialist. Christianity teaches this social Union as ‘brotherly love.’
Since the USA is a nation under God, this social Union is also godly. In the U.S. Union, God has given every U.S. citizen personal and social responsibilities. These responsibilities are entitled by God and are identified by the founders in the Declaration of Independence as Laws of Nature and Nature’s God. Such laws cannot be developed without sociability.

Thus, to become a worker in the U. S. government that worker must be socialistic. It is thus wrong to charge a potential worker of the U.S. government with socialism. And since a communistic nation has no God, it is illegal to practice atheism and communism in the USA.

* Theological science unifies scientific thoughts with people’s thoughts about God.

4 Comments:

  • At 11:14 AM, Blogger Samuel Skinner said…

    The Declaration of Independence has no legal validity in the US.

    What you are talking about is either communitarianism or social democracy.
    Socialism refers to when the government controls a substantial portion of the economy.

    Communist nations are those where the government controls the entire economy. They can be religious- look at the Incans.

     
  • At 3:15 PM, Blogger George Shollenberger said…

    response to samuel skinner,

    Whether or not the Declaration of Independence is a law or not must be debated. Currently, The field of law says that the Declaration has only one authority. I say that the Declaration has two authorities. The field of law is only a potion of the whole field of thought in the USA. But no field of thought is perfect. This is why we must debate this issue.

    I am a dialectician and view the USA as a spiritual/democracy, which is opposed to socialism. Together, they form a dialectical, not logical, pair of opposites. As a pair of dialectical opposites, this pair has a 'middle region' in between its extremes. So other or mixed political systems exist in the middle region.

    Unfortunately, Our dictionaries often define words only logically when some words must be defined by dialectical thinking.

    I believe that most communistic nations are seeking to increasingly control of most human activities because they believe in evolutionary theory. There is no God in evolutionary theory.

    With U.S. atheistic scientists and mathematicians, some members of the US rich class might eventually push for the USA to become a communistic nation. This is when our national goals and plans will be destroyed.

     
  • At 9:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Where is your proof that "atheistic scientists and mathematicians" will push for a communistic agenda? Give me statistical data with a large sample population and other SCIENTIFIC research to support your claim. A "logic only" discussion won't help you here. I leave that for philosophy, not science. Science needs evidence to support what ever hypothesis go through its field. I thought you would know this.

    "Many U.S. citizens do not know that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution say that the USA is a nation under God. God is clearly mandated in the Declaration of Independence. On the other hand, the mandate of God in the U.S. Constitution is not as clear."

    Again, where is your evidence for this? Cite your sources when you make these claims. If you want to sway someone's opinion you need to give the evidence as to why you think that.

    "Many U.S. citizens do not know that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution say that the USA is a nation under God."

    I didn't see the Constitution mention "God" or "Creator" anywhere in it. Here, try it yourself: http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/dockets/06p0287/06P-0287-EC1-Attach-1.pdf

    Type in God and Creator and nothing shows up. This leads back to citing why you think what you do.

    As for the Declaration:
    http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html

    The only places it mentions God and Creator are:
    ". . . to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them . . . that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights . . ."

    It does NOT specifically state the U.S.A. is a "nation under god."

    "But when the founders said that the U.S. government must form a more perfect Union, God’s existence is clear because God is the only standard for measuring this effort of the U.S. government."

    How? How exactly is god's existence clear? How is god the only standard for measuring this effort?

    "And since a communistic nation has no God, it is illegal to practice atheism and communism in the USA."

    Where are you getting this information? It sounds VERY opinionated. Where in federal law does it clearly state that practicing atheism and communism is illegal? As an atheist, I don't practice atheism. Atheism is merely the LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD; nothing more, nothing less. So when you say practicing atheism, what are you comparing that practice to? If you mean in the religious sense, as in going to a church gathering, preaching, praying, etc, then this clearly implies that atheism has no practices because nowhere in atheism do those practices exist. Tell me, how would an atheist practice his/her non-belief in your god? Or any god for that matter?

    I will end with a few quotes that you need to read carefully:

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan

    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    -Stephen Roberts

    James Madison
    Summary of the First Amendment:
    "Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug. 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731)

    --Thomas Jefferson --

    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes" (Letter to von Humboldt, 1813)

    If you disagree, look at theocratic Iran.

    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
    --Treaty of Tripoli, art. 11

     
  • At 9:47 PM, Blogger George Shollenberger said…

    response to Gage,

    Where is your proof that "atheistic scientists and mathematicians" will push for a communistic agenda? Give me statistical data with a large sample population and other SCIENTIFIC research to support your claim. A "logic only" discussion won't help you here. I leave that for philosophy, not science. Science needs evidence to support what ever hypothesis go through its field. I thought you would know this.

    George: At this time, U.S. scientists and mathematicians conclude that God does not exist. Thus, all of their thoughts are aligned to a path of thought that does not consider God. One such path of thought failed in the communistic nation of the Soviet Union. Godless theories, such as the Big Bang theory, can be expected to fail. If this path of thought is wrong, the USA could fall and lead to civil war. People do not realize that a symbolic language, if flawed by false ideas, can create very ignorant minds and increased evil behaviors.

    "Many U.S. citizens do not know that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution say that the USA is a nation under God. God is clearly mandated in the Declaration of Independence. On the other hand, the mandate of God in the U.S. Constitution is not as clear."

    George: the first two paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence is the identification of the Society of people who will form a government as defined by the Constitution. The first statement of the Constitution says that the Society ‘in Order to form a more perfect Union, ....’ These words mean that the Society admits that it is not perfect but will perfect itself. Such a statement cannot make any sense without a measuring standard of perfection. The only standard of perfection is God.

    Again, where is your evidence for this? Cite your sources when you make these claims. If you want to sway someone's opinion you need to give the evidence as to why you think that.

    George: I am a scientist who has worked in the field of measurement for over 45 years. My scientific proof of God is presented in my book, The First Scientific Proof of God.

    "Many U.S. citizens do not know that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution say that the USA is a nation under God."

    George: These citizens have merely not researched this fact.

    I didn't see the Constitution mention "God" or "Creator" anywhere in it. Here, try it yourself: http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/dockets/06p0287/06P-0287-EC1-Attach-1.pdf

    George: I know that the Constitution does not include the word “God.” But the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are inseparable documents. The words God and Creator are found in the Declaration.

    Type in God and Creator and nothing shows up. This leads back to citing why you think what you do.

    As for the Declaration:
    http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html

    The only places it mentions God and Creator are:
    ". . . to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them . . . that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights . . ."

    George: These words tell all Americans that their origin is God and that our rights come from God, not from past cultures or an arbitrary lawmaker.

    It does NOT specifically state the U.S.A. is a "nation under god."

    "But when the founders said that the U.S. government must form a more perfect Union, God’s existence is clear because God is the only standard for measuring this effort of the U.S. government."

    How? How exactly is god's existence clear? How is god the only standard for measuring this effort?

    George: God’s existence is clear if one studies the universe and learns that it has many different ‘things.’ Just look into the evening sky and you will see many things.. They must have an origin other than themselves. See page 6 of my book on ‘The First Scientific Proof of God.’ Only finite things exist in the universe. Things can’t come from the Big Bang thing proposed by physicists because all finite things cannot come from one finite thing. This is a contradiction. Thus, all finite things must come from an infinite thing, which is only one attribute of God.


    "And since a communistic nation has no God, it is illegal to practice atheism and communism in the USA."

    George: This is how I see it. But I say that people can think freely. Only when an atheist acts ungodly do I believe that this ungodly act could be made illegal.

    Where are you getting this information? It sounds VERY opinionated. Where in federal law does it clearly state that practicing atheism and communism is illegal? As an atheist, I don't practice atheism. Atheism is merely the LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD; nothing more, nothing less. So when you say practicing atheism, what are you comparing that practice to? If you mean in the religious sense, as in going to a church gathering, preaching, praying, etc, then this clearly implies that atheism has no practices because nowhere in atheism do those practices exist. Tell me, how would an atheist practice his/her non-belief in your god? Or any god for that matter?

    George: These questions are good because we are debating on new subjects. I am a big reader and go deep in all questions. I am not opinionated because I make statements only if they are consistent with a monotheistic God. I do not belong to a church or a political party. I voted for President Obama because he thinks the way I think. My belief in God is based on my belief that a nation can continue to exist for very long durations. The other nations always end up in wars. I also believe that only a nation under God can become a very beautiful nation. All other nations, even an atheistic nation, cannot create the beauty that God’s laws will create.


    I will end with a few quotes that you need to read carefully:

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan

    George: Sagan was not in metaphysics. I use metaphysics, more specific in Gottfried Leibniz’s ‘sufficient reason.’

    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    -Stephen Roberts

    George: I am a believer only in a monotheistic God.

    James Madison
    Summary of the First Amendment:
    "Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug. 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731)

    --Thomas Jefferson –

    George: Thomas Jefferson was not a real founder of the USA. The founders did not trust him. This is why Jefferson’s draft version of the Declaration of Independence was changed drastically. I will never understand how Republicans can link their thoughts to Jefferson.

    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes" (Letter to von Humboldt, 1813)

    George; A nation under God is not priest-ridden. The concepts God and Religion have very different meanings. God means a ‘theory of the origin.” Religion is the practice of a specific theory of God.

    If you disagree, look at theocratic Iran.
    George; I believe that its theory of God needs to be discussed.


    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

    --Treaty of Tripoli, art. 11

    George: Good quote. The USA was not a nation built under Christianity. The teachings of Jesus Christ today are too bad to even use. But if the scientific teachings of Jesus Christ were taught, the USA, and all other nations, would apply these teachings without any further discussion. Christianity is misinterpreting Jesus Christ greatly.

     

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