Learning One's Ignorance
In the 4th century B.C., Plato asked, 'What is Knowledge?' This question has never been answered. But, Plato's question might be answered in the current debates between the believers in God and the non believers
In my last blog, I show that Nicholas of Cusa divided knowledge into two classes as follows: (1) the knowledge of God and (2) the knowledge of man. Cusa discovered God's knowledge, which is 'absolute' and never changes. He also found that God's knowledge is absolutely maximum and absolutely minimum. By finding God's knowledge, Cusa also found that man's knowledge, which is 'relativistic,' changing, and has relative maximums and minimums
Atheistic scientists argue that God does not exist because they cannot sense God. But it is not possible to sense God because God exist in a world where things cannot be sensed. Thus, God can neither be known nor sensed.
Why are atheistic making this error? In his writings "On Learned Ignorance," Nicholas of Cusa also teaches that man must learn his ignorance. So Cusa is saying that man must seek intelligence but must also learn what he cannot know. The atheists are rejecting God and making this error because they have not learned their ignorance.
In my last blog, I show that Nicholas of Cusa divided knowledge into two classes as follows: (1) the knowledge of God and (2) the knowledge of man. Cusa discovered God's knowledge, which is 'absolute' and never changes. He also found that God's knowledge is absolutely maximum and absolutely minimum. By finding God's knowledge, Cusa also found that man's knowledge, which is 'relativistic,' changing, and has relative maximums and minimums
Atheistic scientists argue that God does not exist because they cannot sense God. But it is not possible to sense God because God exist in a world where things cannot be sensed. Thus, God can neither be known nor sensed.
Why are atheistic making this error? In his writings "On Learned Ignorance," Nicholas of Cusa also teaches that man must learn his ignorance. So Cusa is saying that man must seek intelligence but must also learn what he cannot know. The atheists are rejecting God and making this error because they have not learned their ignorance.
posted by George Shollenberger @ 11:12 AM
21 Comments:
At 1:14 AM,
Anonymous said…
From my point of view man does not seek ignorance but does learn ignorance. This ignorance can also be called a sea of mental garbage. This ignorance has its home in innocence. If we were created with perfect intelligence we would be gods or God.
Our imperfections make us who we are which is a unique soul. Man and indeed souls seek intelligence but man does not seek ignorance; it finds him without him looking for it. The journey of the soul is a journey of learned ignorance and seeking intelligence.
Some souls seek faster than others. Variation thing again.
It appears that man seeks ignorance, as ignorance is abundant. With some more than others. Atheism is just a phase that a human goes through on its journey towards being a god in the making. Atheism is a rejection of religious dogma and an ego that has made its intellect a god.
“Cusa discovered God's knowledge, which is 'absolute' and never changes. He also found that God's knowledge is absolutely maximum and absolutely minimum. By finding God's knowledge, Cusa also found that man's knowledge, which is 'relativistic,' changing, and has relative maximums and minimums”
This is a correct statement. Cusa came very close to discovering the relationship or causal corrulation of God, creation, manifestaton, innocence, ignorance, and suffering.
God being Oneness must express itself or manifest itself in a world of maximums and minimums. Stated another way God must express its dynamic potential in a relative phenomenal world of min’s and max’s. the variation thing. Not dualism but variation in all things even a snowflake.
God becomes many souls through variation: mins and maxs. Absolute has no mins and maxs just stillness like a barren desert.
At 10:53 AM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous,
I modified some words in my last paragraph to make sure the ignorance Cusa speaks about. Essentially, Cusa is teaching what we cannot know about God.
The maximums and minimums that God express in our dynamic world are relativistic. The maximum and minimun found in God are absolutes. All suchabsolutes are unified by God because God is one.
But be careful because some opposites coexist. One extreme is found in God whereas the other extreme is found in our world. The coexisting opposites connect God to our world.
George
At 5:30 PM,
Anonymous said…
"But be careful because some opposites coexist. One extreme is found in God whereas the other extreme is found in our world. The coexisting opposites connect God to our world."
could you please explain what extreme opposites exist in god and in this world.
I see variation in this world not dualism or opposites.
I see god as absolute in all things. no variation.
I see no variation in infinite except perceived variation due to the creation process.
how does coexisting opposites connect god to this world?
god is oneness god is always connected to this world thru spirit.
infinite is connected to everything that is the very definition of infinite. ie everything.
At 6:45 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to anonymous,
At this time,we know five opposites in which the extremes distinguish God and His creation. The extremens of the opposites in God are as follows: One, Equality, Union. Infinite, and Indivisible. The extremes of these opposites in God ave five extremes in the universe They are are as follows: many, inequalities,relations, finite, and divisible. It is like having a left hand in God and a right hand in the universe
We find many dualisms in the universe. For existence, we can see the dualisms such as follows: inside/outside, up/down, permanence/change, and straight/curved,
We can't find any absolutes in our world. You also cannot see God in things in our worlds actually. God is in all things in the world only because God is functionally related to all things. The universe is not a container. This means that all things (God and all things in the universe) are functionally related. Relations are not physical things.
Yes, God never changes and thus does not vary. But God acts. This is why God can create and change it functionally.
God and our world are connected logically because God contracts his positive attributes in order to create opposing attributes in the universe.
God is always connected to the universe, no matter what the universe has been created.
Finally, since God is infinite, God is connected to every finite thing.
George
At 7:47 PM,
Anonymous said…
"Finally, since God is infinite, God is connected to every finite thing."
george do you believe a soul is finite or infinite?
please explain your answer.
and it is ok to say you dont know.
"We find many dualisms in the universe. For existence, we can see the dualisms such as follows: inside/outside, up/down, permanence/change, and straight/curved,"
in the mind of the infinite what is inside and what is outside?
what is up and what is down?
what is straight and what is curved?
what is permanence and what is change?
we see dualism due to our level of unawareness.
"God is always connected to the universe, no matter what the universe has been created."
agreed. how can infinite not be connected. to think there is god and there is us is to fail to understand infinite.
"They are are as follows: many, inequalities,relations, finite, and divisible"
all of these extremes have at least one thing in common. a soul or human unawareness.
"Yes, God never changes and thus does not vary. But God acts. This is why God can create and change it functionally."
I prefer the term manifests meaning expression rather than act. we are the expressions of God. God expressing itself through us as souls.
God as absolute must create what we preceive as opposites.
if God created no perceived opposites there would be no us. infinite cannot duplicate infinite. even God cannot duplicate itself.
God must express itself within its infinite oneness.
the adam and eve story explains this act of creation in a story format.
from innocence to knowing good from evil to knowledge to gods. yea shall be as gods knowing good from evil once you eat from the tree of wisdom.
it is our imperfections that distinguish us from our creator. without imperfections there is no us, just God or isness or absolute or infinite or oneness.
At 11:28 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous,
I say that the soul is indivislble, which means that the soul is also infinitesimal. Thee the coexisting opposites, Indivisible and divisible, connect God to the universe.
All coexisting opposites explain the contraction process in which God creats by contracting his own attributes.
When God contracts His Indivisibility, he contracts Indivisibility by plurality. IAs a result of this contraction, all souls are created. To complete this contraction process, God's Union must be contracted by relations. With the second contraction, each soul becomes 'in' all other souls. The word 'in' means that each soul is functionally related to each other. Since the initial universe exists when the souls become functionally related, the universe is an infinite series of different wholes that have an infinity of indivisible parts. As you can see the universe is very complex.
The Genesis story of Moses is the best available at his time.
My pyramid pic does not explain the difference between man's knowledge and man's learned ignorance. Should I remove it?
You are right on the coexisting opposites, Perfection and imperfections. They connect God to the universe But, I believe that Moses assumed wrongly that man was initially perfect and became imperfect.
George
At 4:00 AM,
Anonymous said…
“But, I believe that Moses assumed wrongly that man was initially perfect and became imperfect.”
I agree with this statement. Creation must be imperfect by its very necessity as infinite must create finite imperfection. It must create always less than its itness. I prefer the term Isness to itness as I am not sure infinite is an it.
I am now reading Cusa’s words and to say they are deep is an understatement. Can you put it in layman’s terms what is learned ignorance? From my point of view we do not learn our ignorance well in a way we do as we are created imperfect but innocent one could say we are created in ignorance or unawareness.
Infinite must create finite which is imperfect and as we progress as a soul we learn our ignorance so to speak. But there reaches a point where we progress in intelligence maybe never to the point of infinite, maybe so. Maybe infinite is unreachable as it is infinite.
Is Cusa stating we must learn our ignorance first before we begin to understand our inability to understand infinite as infinite cannot be completely understood by anything finite. The atheists have failed to understand their ignorance in fact their God is their intellect. Likewise their God is their ignorance. Stated another way they worship at the altar of their own ignorance.
This ignorance is displayed by the atheists in their constant claims that only they have a logical and reasoning mind. The reason project by its very name is living proof of this ignorance. Is this learned ignorance?
I disagree with Cusa’s about we can never become gods of course I need to know his operational definition of gods. Maybe we cannot never become as God as God is infinite how does one ever get to infinite in anything including intelligence, love, compassion, etc.
But it appears we can reach as point in the evolution of our soul where we are like gods with our creative abilities. Meister Eckhart wrote about a Godhead and a God with the God doing the creation and the godhead as stillness or a barren desert.
At 4:20 AM,
Anonymous said…
”Why are atheistic making this error? In his writings "On Learned Ignorance," Nicholas of Cusa also teaches that man must learn his ignorance. So Cusa is saying that man must seek intelligence but must also learn what he cannot know. The atheists are rejecting God and making this error because they have not learned their ignorance.”
Ok I got it sometimes I can read something many times and nothing and then kaboom it hits me with an insight. Learning what we cannot know is as important as learning what we can know. Learned ignorance is very difficult to grasp as we think in finite terms. We think in finite progression not in infinite realities.
This might be dangerous to teach if not understood by the student because in our ignorance we can stop trying and state that is unknowlable when it is knowable. Every one told me the origin of our ignorance was unknowable but it is knowable.
“The precise truth is incomprehensible.”
The word precise may indeed make truth incomprehensible. I suspect the truths I write about are in the reality of finite truths. More thinking on my part is necessary here. I do not think we can learn or discover truths but we must realize these truths. Of course if there are many truths as I write about then I suspect these realized truths are not of the infinite mind but of the finite mind.
Am I making any sense? My mind is going a mile a minute here. Enough for one night.
At 12:27 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous,
You say, “I am not sure infinite is an it.”
Since all of the attributes of God are one, I think that God’s infinity is an adjective because its opposite, finite, is an adjective of all creatures.
You say, “Can you put it in layman’s terms what is learned ignorance?”
Read Chapters Two and Three in Book II.
You say, “Maybe infinite is unreachable as it is infinite.”
Infinite is unlimited and cannot be exhausted.
You say, “The atheists have failed to understand their ignorance in fact their God is their intellect. Likewise their God is their ignorance. Stated another way they worship at the altar of their own ignorance.”
Your words are right on target.
You say, “This ignorance is displayed by the atheists in their constant claims that only they have a logical and reasoning mind. The reason project by its very name is living proof of this ignorance. Is this learned ignorance?”
The Reason Project is living proof that they have not learned their ignorance. For instance, they have not learned that the knowledge of the universe cannot be completed.
You say, “Maybe we cannot ever become as God as God is infinite how does one ever get to infinite in anything including intelligence, love, compassion, etc.”
Under an infinite God, we have the potential to live forever because God cannot be exhausted. This means that we are reincarnated. So as long as all of us are happy, God would not pull the plug. But, if many people are sad, I conclude that the plug might be plugged.You say, “But it appears we can reach as point in the evolution of our soul where we are like gods with our creative abilities.”
We are created by God as ‘little gods.’ Evolution is thus nothing other than ‘development’ ---- of better sciences, better technologies, better foods, better health care, ........ etc. Abe Lincoln said that beavers still make their homes the same for thousands of years. The lower animals are not ‘little gods.’ Nor do we come from nonliving things. Read Cusa’s writings on evolution in Book III, Ch. One. All genera form a continuum of things that God created.
At 1:43 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous,
I see that Cusa's learned ignorance found a home in your mind.
Now you will appreciate Rom. 1:20 more and our need to study the things God mane. It is through God's works that we gain understandings of God. And, only precise logically-related symbols can we connect God and the universe.
George
At 2:07 PM,
Anonymous said…
“We are created by God as ‘little gods.’ Evolution is thus nothing other than ‘development’ ---- of better sciences, better technologies, better foods, better health care, ........ etc”
My operational definition of little gods is a god with a small g. as far as development my research indicates we also develop in our ability to express joy, love, compassion, intelligence, and our creative abilities to use this Source we call God.
As our consciousness evolves our awareness also evolves. Awareness is primary and consciousness is secondary contrary to what most teach. We don’t become more conscious we become more aware of reality.
My research indicates that the earth experience is only one of the maybe infinite dimensions we reside in as we advance in love and divine intelligence. As our awareness of reality evolves our vibration levels change and this higher vibration level causes us to reside in a higher dimensions with others like us with the same or similar vibration levels.
Like attracts like even in this world and these other dimensions that are less physical.
“Infinite is unlimited and cannot be exhausted.”
This is a very important concept. I was talking to a friend the other day and he had an interesting insight. No matter how far we travel we never get to infinite as it is always a distance away. I remember as a child they was a space series on TV and the captain of the space ship stated to the passenger we are going to a place that is an infinite distance and we are half way there. That blew my mind as a child. I thought on that one for a long time. How does one get half way to infinite? Even as a child that did not add up for me.
“But, if many people are sad, I conclude that the plug might be plugged”
I have found very very little in my research that the plug is pulled. Just one sentence in one book that this could occur. I have found a Hades condition but it is temporal in time. This Hades condition lasts as long as the soul has self-hate and self-judgment, etc. of course we could also be in a Hades condition right here on earth.
I also found there are spiritual guides and helpers that attempt to help this person in Hades to discover they do not have to remain there. This is not an easy thing to do; it would be like trying to teach a materialist there is more to this world than the physical. We all know the difficulty in that.
The materialist lives on a very very steep and slippery slope as one unexplained paranormal phenomenon and their entire paradigm comes crashing down. This is why we often hear materialists make such ridiculous explanations for any paranormal phenomena. They must defend their materialistic paradigm at all costs.
“Since all of the attributes of God are one, I think that God’s infinity is an adjective because its opposite, finite, is an adjective of all creatures.”
I now see many attributes of God such as love and intelligence. Please define that one attribute of God. Now creatures could be defined as an “it” or as beings. Will work on this one. I use the term Isness often to describe this infinite Oneness most call God.
I still lean in the direction that truths are knowable now as far as the infinite truth that may be unknowable. How can one know infinite? There is always more to know. We never so to speak get to the end of knowledge or knowing.
“My pyramid pic does not explain the difference between man's knowledge and man's learned ignorance. Should I remove it?”
I did not understand what you were trying to say. It needs more explanations. Sometimes we have a difficult time explaining what we have knowledge of and we cannot teach our understanding that comes from a realization. How successful was Jesus and Buddha teaching their understanding of reality. Not that we are a Jesus or a Buddha.
I love the pyramid format to explain progression. Before I retired I was an organizational consultant and speaker and used the pyramid approach all the time. It was my favorite approach in a pic. format.
At 4:35 PM,
Anonymous said…
"Therefore, only the absolutely Maximum is negatively infinite.
Hence, it alone is whatever there can at all possibly be. But since the
universe encompasses all the things which are not God, it cannot be
negatively infinite, although it is unbounded and thus privatively infinite.
And in this respect it is neither finite nor infinite. For it cannot
be greater than it is. This results from a defect."
This is a quote from book two.
What part of the universe is not God?
Also what does Cusa mean by his statement “this results from a defect”? What does Cusa mean by a defect?
If God is infinite and all and all then what part of the universe is not God?
Cusa is a very interesting read. One can tell he has put much thought into his study of God.
I would like someone to explain to me how God can create something outside of its infinite oneness.
Please know that I ask these questions not out of arrogance but out of interest.
When I started this research about two decades ago I promised myself that nothing was off limits. I follow no guru or religion or political ideology.
I know so many people that follow a guru or religion and this tends to shut off any new incoming information or knowledge.
As a side note George the comments must be right clicked to open. It used to open with a left click.
At 4:39 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymour, retired.
You say, “As far as development my research indicates we also develop in our ability to express joy, love, compassion, intelligence, and our creative abilities to use this Source we call God.”
I did not mean to limit development to S&T etc. I believe that the absolutes of God are infinite. All life scientists, who became atheists, are thus the origins of the evil rights we know of political rights and political wrongs.
You say, “We don’t become more conscious we become more aware of reality.”
This is correct because each person has a different perspective of reality. (Kenneth Burke, ‘Grammar of Motives’) On the subject of vibrations, did you read the book on “The Symphony of Life” by Donald Hatch Andrews, 1966. To me this is a very advanced book on Georg Cantor’s transfinite numbers and vibrations.
You say, “How does one get half way to infinite? Even as a child that did not add up for me.”
Right. Finite numbers do not work with infinities. The parts are not countable in the wholes made of indivisible parts. As I pointed out earlier, our souls are indivisible and are uncountable in the wholes God made.
You say, “....we could also be in a Hades condition right here on earth.”
Yes, we must return God to the life of people.
You say, “They must defend their materialistic paradigm at all costs.”
They are trying and hate me.
You say, “We never so to speak get to the end of knowledge or knowing.”
I say that there is no end to God or His universe.
You say, “How successful was Jesus and Buddha teaching their understanding of reality.”
I say that Jesus was successful because he communicated using metaphor.
You say, “Please define that one attribute of God.”
Our only path to God is through mind. Since mind is able to measure all finite things, our only path to God is by measuring what God made.
I liked the pyramid because it distinguishes knowledge from ignorance. It makes people think.
At 5:45 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to anonymous, retired,
In your most recent comment I believe that you are reading Cusa very carefully. That is good.
Since I read and studied Cusa for a long period beginning in 1979, because I had to think deeply what he is saying, I notice that you are entering a period like I entered.
So, as your comments continue to come in, I notice that you are experiencing what I did, beginning in 1979. Because of language problems between Cusa (a 15th century German), the Latin of the Pope (Cusa's boss), and the translation into English by Jasper Hopkins, I need air time to respond to you in order ensure myself of my proper use of symbols.
Since you are stutying a very excellent and important personality, I will be back to you soon.
At 11:46 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous,retired.
You say,"Therefore, only the absolutely Maximum is negatively infinite. Hence, it alone is whatever there can at all possibly be. But since theuniverse encompasses all the things which are not God, it cannot be negatively infinite, although it is unbounded and thus privatively infinite. And in this respect it is neither finite nor infinite. For it cannot be greater than it is. This results from a defect." (These words are from Bk.II, Ch. One.)
George: Negatively infinite means that God is beyond ‘infinite and finite’ or is ‘not-not-finite.’ This is a double negative and says that God’s infinity is greater than the private infinity of the universe. This thinking says that the universe is not a container (has no outside). The private infinity of the universe means that other private universes could have been created by God and that our universe is the best universe.
You ask, “What part of the universe is not God?”
George: God is a pure whole and thus has no parts. The universe has an infinite number of spiritual atoms. The universe forms an infinite number of wholes by relating the spiritual atoms. These wholes are bodies that begin, function, and pass on. God is beyong the universe. This is why God is not a part of the universe.
You say, “Also what does Cusa mean by his statement “this results from a defect”? What does Cusa mean by a defect?’
George: The defect means that God does not create a perfect universe. So the universe is said to be defective or imperfect.
You say, “If God is infinite and all and all then what part of the universe is not God?”
George: All parts of the universe are finite. Since God is negatively infinite, God cannot be any part of the universe although God is connected to the universe.
You say, “Cusa is a very interesting read. One can tell he has put much thought into his study of God.”
George: When the Eastern Christian Church gave Nicholas of Cusa a copy of Plato’s writings, Cusa began his work. Plato was unknown to the Western Christian churches.
You say, “I would like someone to explain to me how God can create something outside of its infinite oneness.”
George: God has one positive essence, which consists of an infinity of essential attributes. When God contracts his positive essence, all of God’s essential attribute become logical opposites (infinite becomes finite, etc.
You say, “Please know that I ask these questions not out of arrogance but out of interest.”
George; Reading Nicholas of Cuse tells me that your interest is real.
You say, “When I started this research about two decades ago I promised myself that nothing was off limits. I follow no guru or religion or political ideology.”
George. With Cusa, my book, and website, you are on a new path of thought which will change the world..
You say, “I know so many people that follow a guru or religion and this tends to shut off any new incoming information or knowledge.”
George: Closed minds will eventually become lost because ‘development’ is the only place where truths are found.
At 2:13 AM,
Anonymous said…
“The universe has an infinite number of spiritual atoms”
From whence did those spiritual atoms originate? If god’s mind created the universe then it also means we are an expression of that mind hence we are within this infinite oneness of god.
You are saying that god is outside of infinite. What can be outside of infinite? Two infinites? Anything created by infinite must be within infinite as infinite is unbounded. From my point of view at this time the universe is within infinite mind unless we want to redefine infinite.
It appears to me at this time due to Cusa’s religious training he wants to make god’s expressions (souls) separate from god. This is a very Christian thing to do it allows the Christians to continue to teach the fall of human kind and take responsibility for their own fall. I.e. ego thing.
Book two is much more of a religious chapter and is defending Christian beliefs. I think he was a priest. Very very difficult for a priest to think outside of the Christian teachings. Some lost their lives for doing just that.
“The defect means that God does not create a perfect universe. So the universe is said to be defective or imperfect.”
Yes yes yes a thousand times yes. But it is not a defect it is a necessity to create imperfection. Without imperfections we do not exist as unique souls. We were created in innocence and only became gods in the making when we eat from the tree of knowledge or wisdom.
Please explain why god does not create a perfect universe. If god is outside of infinite why not create a perfect infinite universe. Why create a finite defective universe if god is outside of infinite. The origin of our suffering is ignorance and a perfect universe would eliminate that suffering of humankind.
As a side note and as a former SPC and six-sigma consultant all defects have their home in some form of ignorance. Seek the meaning why god does not create a perfect universe and you will find the origin of ignorance. The Buddhists refuse to ask such a question for a variety of reasons.
The origin of our ignorance or unawareness is innocence and that innocence is in the creation process. Our innocence defines us as unique souls. God sees our innocence we see ignorance and evil.
Evil is nonexistent as a reality but does exist as an expression it depends on whose eyes we are looking through. Mystics don’t see evil. Evil has its home in ignorance and ignorance has its home in innocence. Evil is misguided desire that has its home in ignorance and that ignorance has its home in innocence.
For evil to exist as a reality then evil must exist in God. There is no ignorance in god therefore there can be no evil in reality. The Christians and indeed most religions want to make God separate from its creation for a variety of reasons.
Cusa does not appear to be a mystic like Meister Eckhart but he uses his genius intellectual aptitude to have made these profound discoveries.
“With Cusa, my book, and website, you are on a new path of thought which will change the world..”
Time will tell on that one George. The second chapter of his book for me at least is more about the Christian religion than new thoughts.
At 11:35 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous, retired.
You say, From whence did those spiritual atoms originate? ....
George: the spiritual atoms are found in my book. Their names are the true atoms identified by Leibniz in his Monadology and originate in God’s Indivisible. They exist when God contracts His Indivisible by plurality.
You are saying that god is outside of infinite. ......
George: Yes God’s negatively infinite is a higher infinity than the Infinite of God that connects God to all finite things. The Infinite attribute of God is thus the lower infinity than God’s negative infinite, which is not limited, and is the plurality of all finite things found in the universe. This is why I included the work of Georg Cantor on transfinite numbers in my book.
You say It appears to me at this time due to Cusa’s religious training he wants to make god’s expressions (souls) separate from god.
George: Be careful when you use Nicholas of Cusa because he lived during the time when people were burned at the stake.. Be very,very careful because the American Cusanus Society asked to review my book. After they received it, I never heard from it because my nook and the teaching of the Catholic Church are very different.
You say, Book two is much more of a religious chapter and is defending Christian beliefs.
George; Some parts of Book III defend Catholic teaching. Cusa became was a Bishop in Germany.
You say, Yes yes yes a thousand times yes. But it is not a defect it is a necessity to create imperfection. Without imperfections we do not exist as unique souls.
George; I accept the Monadology of Leibniz. So all soul are different and immortal.. The functional relations between all soul give all of them essential and contingent attributes. The essential attributes provide the immortality whereas contigent attributes give all souls bodies that are mortal.
You say, Please explain why god does not create a perfect universe.
George: God is not outside of the Infinite that he contracts to create finite things. Neither God nor the universe are containers. All things are functionally related because all things are not containers
You say, As a side note and as a former SPC and six-sigma consultant all defects have their home in some form of ignorance.
George: I can answer the origin of these home defects. There are defects because all homes are man-made and thus have a countable number of parts. Man can’t make indivisible parts. Here is the ignorance of man All of God-made wholes have an infinite number of indivisible and uncountable parts.
George; The teachings of Jews, Christians, and Muslims must be reformed. Their ancient teaching are outdated. Further, Bk II and III should be read because Cusa connects Jesus to Greek thinking. For instance, Ch. Five of Bk. II tell us that the universe is not a container. And Ch. One, Bk, III, Cusa kills Darwin’s evolutionary theory.
At 2:48 AM,
Anonymous said…
“George: Yes God’s negatively infinite is a higher infinity than the Infinite of God that connects God to all finite things. The Infinite attribute of God is thus the lower infinity than God’s negative infinite, which is not limited, and is the plurality of all finite things found in the universe. This is why I included the work of Georg Cantor on transfinite numbers in my book.”
You have described a negative infinite and a lower infinity please explain the difference in more detail. From my point of view infinite is infinite. What can be outside of infinite? Can we have two infinites?
This in my mind at this time that to have a higher infinite and a lower infinite is an attempt to make God separate from its creation. My observation has been the human mind and even most souls want to make God as a separate Being.
These questions are not meant to trick you or challenge you but a very important aspect of my research into the mysteries of life.
At 12:18 PM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous, retired.
Every thing in an infinity.
Each finite thing is a lowest infinity. The universe of all things is a higher infinity. And God's negatively infinite is the highest infinity. Cantor's transfinite numberse, which are different infinities, will be found in the universe and in each thing.
Most mathematicians stay away from Cantor's work. Many different infinities exist. This is why we are not solving the cancer problem, for example.
All of these different infinities are in the same world. You must destroy the mechanics that are trying to control your mind.
George
At 12:59 AM,
Anonymous said…
higher infinites and lower infinites is not infinite.
It sounds to me like a play on words to make God's creation separate from God which the Christians must do to defend their beliefs in free will and fallen nature, etc.
Unless you want to redefine the word or concept of infinite then infinite is infinite. Now if God is not the source of all that is then that is a different discussion.
Telling people to destroy what is controlling their minds is not defining how anything can reside outside of infinite.
I have let you have a couple of passes on this but you often come off intellectual and wiser than all.
This is called intellectualism and is not intelligence. The atheists resort to this all the time. It is a real turn off for me.
So I will ask again how can anything exist outside of infinite oneness?
Infinite has no beginning or ending where finite has a beginning and a source.
Much of cusa's work is defending the Christian religion and its validity and trying to show its superiority to Islam.
I will dialog with you but if you continue to play that superior intellect thing with me I choose not to dialog. This happens often with dialog, the male ego thing I think.
At 11:21 AM,
George Shollenberger said…
Response to Anonymous,retired.
I suggest that you look at the work of Cantor on infinite sets. Neither religions nor scientists have used the mathematics of Cantor. You, religions, and scientists must add Cantor to the mind. I discuss Cantor's work in my book on p. 222-225.
The New Math (set theory) was taught, without success, in the public schools. But this course was removed because God is not taught in public schoold. This is a big educational error.
To bring set theory to the public schools, God must also be taught. When are Americans going to grow up. Too much Tv in the USA.
I believe that my stuff is being read and taught in other nations.
Cantor's transfinite numbers must be brought into the USA, or else the USA could fall apart.
The term 'infinite one' was an ancient Jewish statement about God. Today, we can give God many different names because we are identifying new attributes about God.
So naming God is a stupid effort.
When Christians found the attribute Equality, they named God 'One Equality.' Then they added Holy Ghost to this name and called God 'One, Equality, and Holy Ghost. Then they renamed God as "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.' This became known as the Trinity.
God's name is not 'Trinity' (three in one and one in three) as the Christians say. Nor is God's name One Infinite as the Jews say. These names are silly because the attributes of God are negatively infinite.
People must rethink continually because man will always be making progress.
The universe coexists with God because God and the universe are distinguished. They bare distinguished because the laws of God are different than the laws of the universe. Both God and the universe are orderly things.
Since God had no beginning and has no end, the universe also had no beginning and has no end. God and the universe is one world!!!!. Modern thinking is merely outdating ancient thinking.
Nicholas of Cusa is not defending the Christian religion. Instead , Nicholas is eliminating the ancient Christian interpretations of Jesus Christ. Today's Christians are outdated. Jews and Muslims are also outdated. In my book, I agree with others who say that Nicholas was the first modern scientist.
I will not change my teaching. My twenty-five years of research led to a new science, not an ego.
George
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